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well we will never have similar opinions about this specific point - that's why I said akos and derek will be on the ceiling. regarding this subject we differ, and I am tired to discuss it with you. I posted my opinion because I was angry about her and still am in many points and because I wanted to make some people understand why I think so critical about helena often in the last time. and I think that some people actually understand it better now.

I'm not saying she's a bad person. But I am indeed disappointed about how some things have changed over the years. and your defense of her was not able to change my mind about this subject, sorry. I think we are at a point in this subject when arguments don't work anymore because of a lack of information about her and her possibilities - we can only speculate but still at the end you have a 50-50% chance to be on the right side. and what's the right side, this opinion is not the same for us.

Yeah obviously.

Akos Kirsch wrote:Yeah obviously.

lol you better be quiet

Reb personally I'm not against hearing a "different" or more critical opinion about Elena and in fact I often do it myself or ask for it because it can be constructive and that way we can make understood to all directions that we want to have a better Elena and her making use of 100% of her true talent!
https://paparizou.forumotion.net/t3525-contact-elena-or-her-team-and-write-your-suggestions-complaints-about-the-current-state-of-her-career-bouzoukia-similar-setlists-in-all-events-no-international-promo-etc

I am also tired of how some things have turned out to be and I have been quite angry on her a number of times over the past few months. To be honest back in 2008 I didn't expect her career to be so static and I was actually expecting that in the following years she would be famous -if not all all over Europe- at least in her 2nd home country Sweden and maybe some other Scandinavian or Balkan countries and look where she is now. In Greece again, with the same formula (bouzoukia, new album, a tour every 2nd summer, etc...)
In other words I'm literally against many things and unless I have a good reason to "defend her", I don't it because I feel let down myself. However the fact that we are let down in some ways doesn't mean that:
a) because one or more things are wrong (e.g.no promotion abroad, mediocre shows on bouzoukia, less stage performance as years go by, etc..) we should start being against everything she is or does cause then we are simply being mean and it proves we don't love Elena as a person besides Paparizou as an artist, imo that way we only see her as a machine that produces good songs and good stage performance,

b) we should start ignoring or spending 1-2 lines pointing out what's still good about her whereas writing whole essays about how her boobs are supposedly provoking people and how she's being a bad role model because we saw 2 cm more of the flesh on her cleavage than we usually do, or how she has contradicted herself once or twice.

Sorry but it's kind of crazy and it diminishes a lot the level of the discussions on this forum. The other day I posted a translation of the interpretation of the BIO video by a youtube user here: https://paparizou.forumotion.net/t2685p585-baby-it-s-over-music-video-comments-and-reviews#135455 and there was no response by any member here whatsoever which got me shocked because it wasn't long ago when we had spent so many pages discussing whether her cleavage was really that daring or not after the 2nd live show on DOI and I couldn't believe how it's more interesting for members to gossip about these things, than discuss on the storyline of her latest video. Shouldn't there be more interest when it's something relating to her songs/videos? Lately I've been noticing that a vast majority of all the discussions on the forum surround her looks, her image, how airbrushed pics are, what outfit she wears, and other relatively shallow things when it should mostly be about her songs, her videos, her albums, her singing and her performances as she is as a singer/artist. This bugs me a lot I must admit!
Rant ends here.

Back on topic, fine Reb you are free to think we will never have similar opinions on this topic and that it's very tiring to discuss this with me but I still think that my arguments last night proved that your point of view (on those subjects that were raised) is wrong in many ways (maybe not all - I never said my opinion is 100% true and should be embraced by everyone) and you can still reconsider/rethink it. That's up to you in the end of the day.

Derek wrote:... but I still think that my arguments last night proved that your point of view (on those subjects that were raised) is wrong in many ways (maybe not all - I never said my opinion is 100% true and should be embraced by everyone)...

no. I don't agree. And when I am complaining about such things then I do it in the hope she gets to know it somehow and changes them. because I think all these mistakes will do harm to her one day and I don't want that. I critisize cause I care.

paparizikos wrote:

Thanks a lot George!

A newspaper critic, criticized Elena for her poor language skills (in Greek) on Dancing on Ice and Star channel contacted 2 other critics who praised Elena!!

By the way, I've also been aware that she's been criticised for that over the years and now again, but is her Greek as poor as they say?

alene wrote:

By the way, I've also been aware that she's been criticised for that over the years and now again, but is her Greek as poor as they say?

Actually she hasn't been criticized about it so much. Kalomira has been criticized about it a lot more. She's nearly fluent in Greek but sometimes she makes some noticable mistakes which are hard to ignore.
Sometimes she also uses english words because she doesn't know the equivalent word in Greek.

Derek wrote:

alene wrote:

By the way, I've also been aware that she's been criticised for that over the years and now again, but is her Greek as poor as they say?

Actually she hasn't been criticized about it so much. Kalomira has been criticized about it a lot more. She's nearly fluent in Greek but sometimes she makes some noticable mistakes which are hard to ignore.
Sometimes she also uses english words because she doesn't know the equivalent word in Greek.

I've noticed that many times So it's not horrible at all.
Thanks for telling!

I believe I have readed that she got better on Greek around eurovision 2005.

But whatever, I don't know how many times she does mistakes in greek, but I believes she can talk so everyone understands. So I don't see a problem.

paparizikos wrote:

thanks a lot George:)
She was so hot again:) I liked the dancing. But i hope she will sing the song in Thess from now on really:)

Derek wrote:

paparizikos wrote:

Thanks a lot George!

Beautiful! like that stage (a bit short but ok for introduce the single). Good perfomance.

6th live

Short backstage sequence @1.55:


Elena-related TV reports from the day after:


Eleonora Meleti and the panel members supporting DOI and Elena and condemning the critic for his pointless review :

From the first episode:

Swedish wrote:From the first episode:

I desperately need a new emoticon with Elena's smile. I am a bit tired of "rofl"

I support that

6th live backstage (includes Mr. Perfect rehearsals - backstage footage)

7th live:

Backstage footage:

She is so sweet!! She had strong emotions because she remembered her father by this choreography and she finally cried. I also cried with her. Helena love you!!

It was nice indeed:)

Maybe it happened today because it was around christmas her father died too?

8th live:

Swedish wrote:Maybe it happened today because it was around christmas her father died too?

It was on the Christmas day 2008. I'm pretty sure that's why she got emotional. Here's the full video btw: http://www.star.gr/life_style/123127/

Elena is among the TV personalities of the year in Greece (according to this report):

That's very nice:)

This is hilarious!

Haha, random!
And she speaks a little bit english, great.

Is they participating in the contest? I wonder because she began to talk about a good new year instead of talking about them.

Swedish wrote:Haha, random!
And she speaks a little bit english, great.

Is they participating in the contest? I wonder because she began to talk about a good new year instead of talking about them.

Yes they do. They are professionals and they accompany the celebrities to form a pair.
She hopes they are enjoying the show as well (besides the celebrity participants who are always under the spotlight).

9th LIVE:

10th LIVE:

Semi final trailer (?)

Swedish wrote:Semi final trailer (?)

exactly (hope to see Helena with polytail that we have never seen her before at her social appearances)

11th LIVE:

just to bring a point to the discussion some weeks ago. https://paparizou.forumotion.net/t2053p390-photo-comments#141486

maybe people now understand better! because this new version is actually what the frst dress should have been like! still very sexy, but way more classy!!!

The cat.

That cat stole the show yesterday