Greece 2012

just keep taking the contest serious I say. but the idea is funny

Horgu13 wrote:After Russia was on the second place with such a terrible Song and grannies, I see no reason why we shouldn't send Efi next Year. Her Songs are catchy.

http://greekvideos.com/video/3555/Efi-Thodi---Facebook-%28New-Song---Video-Clip%29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExmOijghFVQ


Efi 2013 for Greece!

noo please. The thing about this song is that she couldn't sing at all. that's the only problem. i said it was the same every year but don't take me wrong, i love greek music and i love Greece it's just that she wanted to do that like Helena/Kalomira but she just can't. And you're right, it's not only greece that sends the same music gender. And the last 2 years Greece was brilliant. BTW, don't complain because Portugal didn't even go to the final

Horgu13 wrote:After Russia was on the second place with such a terrible Song and grannies, I see no reason why we shouldn't send Efi next Year. Her Songs are catchy.

http://greekvideos.com/video/3555/Efi-Thodi---Facebook-%28New-Song---Video-Clip%29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExmOijghFVQ


Efi 2013 for Greece!

Greece will fail very much if you send her.

Jessica wrote:

Horgu13 wrote:After Russia was on the second place with such a terrible Song and grannies, I see no reason why we shouldn't send Efi next Year. Her Songs are catchy.

http://greekvideos.com/video/3555/Efi-Thodi---Facebook-%28New-Song---Video-Clip%29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExmOijghFVQ


Efi 2013 for Greece!

noo please. The thing about this song is that she couldn't sing at all. that's the only problem. i said it was the same every year but don't take me wrong, i love greek music and i love Greece it's just that she wanted to do that like Helena/Kalomira but she just can't. And you're right, it's not only greece that sends the same music gender. And the last 2 years Greece was brilliant. BTW, don't complain because Portugal didn't even go to the final

It's wrong if you say she couldn't sing. She sang better than Albania, and Eleftheria had also to dance. She is not the best Singer, and her Voice is not strong, but she did a good job.

It was not Eleftheria's fault that they made something like Helena or Kalomira did before. It's the fault of the Producer and of the greek people who voted for the Song. We had only bullshit Songs but two of them were different. But we sent this Song.

If I could choose I would send Tamta for Greece. With a good Song I'm sure she could easy win. She is different than the other Artists in Greece. And she can sing really good Live.

Horgu13 wrote:

It's wrong if you say she couldn't sing. She sang better than Albania, and Eleftheria had also to dance. She is not the best Singer, and her voice is not strong, but she did a good job.

If I could choose I would send Tamta for Greece. With a good Song I'm sure she could easy win. She is different than the other Artists in Greece. And she can sing really good Live.

I agree with you actually
Elle may not be the best singer in the entire world, but she's not bad. I think she's good but that's my personal opinion Her charisma on stage is amazing!
I didn't like the female dancers though I think they would have done better without them

I also want Greece to send Tamta! Would be so cool if I could see her live in Sweden and maybe meet her!
And also because she's an amazing singer and a bit different from the most greek female singers and maybe that's what Greece needs in Eurovision

She got what she deserved with this average song and the Elena+Kalomira+Sakis 2004 wannabe performance! Her delivery was good or above average at least. I think she was better than Ivi!

Is this song played in Greece?

Derek wrote:She got what she deserved with this average song and the Elena+Kalomira+Sakis 2004 wannabe performance! Her delivery was good or above average at least. I think she was better than Ivi!

Why she? The greeks voted for the Song. If we are so "stupid" and send again something what we already heard 3-4 times it's not Eleftheria's fault. She did a good job and I think she deserved a better place.

But don't worry......next year we come back in the Top Ten with a new Version of My Secret Afrodisiac .

Yes, it is not her fault it is more the ones that voted for her to go to ESC, that made the mistake.

Horgu13 wrote:

Derek wrote:She got what she deserved with this average song and the Elena+Kalomira+Sakis 2004 wannabe performance! Her delivery was good or above average at least. I think she was better than Ivi!

Why she? The greeks voted for the Song. If we are so "stupid" and send again something what we already heard 3-4 times it's not Eleftheria's fault. She did a good job and I think she deserved a better place.

But don't worry......next year we come back in the Top Ten with a new Version of My Secret Afrodisiac .

I didn't blame Eleftheria for anything, I just think she (her entry) got what she deserved. I wouldn't really use "Greece" instead of "Greek entry", "Greek delegation", or "Eleftheria" because if you'd conduct a poll and ask Greeks about their opinion on the song, most of them clearly thought it wasn't a representative song for Greece and it was below average. A song that is truly representative of Greece is to me one that has people's support. This one didn't. A very small percentage of people just favoured it in comparison to the other 3 weak songs that competed in the Greek national final. Next year ERT will hopefully organize a different Greek final!

Derek wrote:

Horgu13 wrote:

Derek wrote:She got what she deserved with this average song and the Elena+Kalomira+Sakis 2004 wannabe performance! Her delivery was good or above average at least. I think she was better than Ivi!

Why she? The greeks voted for the Song. If we are so "stupid" and send again something what we already heard 3-4 times it's not Eleftheria's fault. She did a good job and I think she deserved a better place.

But don't worry......next year we come back in the Top Ten with a new Version of My Secret Afrodisiac .

I didn't blame Eleftheria for anything, I just think she (her entry) got what she deserved. I wouldn't really use "Greece" instead of "Greek entry", "Greek delegation", or "Eleftheria" because if you'd conduct a poll and ask Greeks about their opinion on the song, most of them clearly thought it wasn't a representative song for Greece and it was below average. A song that is truly representative of Greece is to me one that has people's support. This one didn't. A very small percentage of people just favoured it in comparison to the other 3 weak songs that competed in the Greek national final. Next year ERT will hopefully organize a different Greek final!

We Greeks are never happy with a Song before the Contest. The People say always the Song is not good, it's bad, it's not greek and other things.

Our problem is that we don't know what we want. If we want something greek, we should send really a greek Song, and not always a Mix, english Song with some greek elements. Or we send a modern english Song.


I don't understand why they don't send Tamta. She said many times she would like to represent Greece.

I don't agree with this. I remember all the opinion polls before ESC and people were very happy with Antique's entry in 2001, Elena's entry in 2005 and they were quite happy with Sakis's in 2004, Kalomira's in 2008 and Loukas's in 2011. The rest of them got mixed reviews and I think Anna Vissi 2006, Rakintzis 2002 and Eleftheria 2012 had mostly got bad reviews (the former for her song and the latter 2 for voice+song+performance)! I always loved Anna's 2006 entry though regardless of what most people said about the song.

I agree with this. We should either send something very Greek or something with an international appeal. The pop-ethnic mix sounds outdated now!

I don't think Tamta has Elena's, Sakis's or Anna's level of popularity to be assigned from ERT to represent Greece in ESC without being selected through a national final. I think she should compete in a Greek national final again. But today all the popular artists in Greece seem to be afraid to compete for ESC. Why isn't that the case in Sweden or other countries? It's a pity!

Derek wrote:I don't agree with this. I remember all the opinion polls before ESC and people were very happy with Antique's entry in 2001, Elena's entry in 2005 and they were quite happy with Sakis's in 2004, Kalomira's in 2008 and Loukas's in 2011. The rest of them got mixed reviews and I think Anna Vissi 2006, Rakintzis 2002 and Eleftheria 2012 had mostly got bad reviews (the former for her song and the latter 2 for voice+song+performance)! I always loved Anna's 2006 entry though regardless of what most people said about the song.

I agree with this. We should either send something very Greek or something with an international appeal. The pop-ethnic mix sounds outdated now!

I don't think Tamta has Elena's, Sakis's or Anna's level of popularity to be assigned from ERT to represent Greece in ESC without being selected through a national final. I think she should compete in a Greek national final again. But today all the popular artists in Greece seem to be afraid to compete for ESC. Why isn't that the case in Sweden or other countries? It's a pity!

I can't say what was before 2005 because I had no greek TV (only ERT) and no Internet. But the most Songs after 2005 had also a lot of negative feedback. I remember good because at this time I started to record all the Elena Videos.

It's not good anyway if we send big Greek Stars to Eurovision. They are Stars in Greece, but in the most other Countries they are nothing. Exept in some balkan countries. I remember what they said here about Anna and Sakis. For Eurovison you need something new and fresh. Tamta would be a good choice. Dimos Anastasiadis would be also great with a Pop-Rock Song. Or Eleonora Zouganeli. Sambanis could also write a Song.

Anastasiadis, Sampanis and Zouganeli are quite good but they are very unsuitable for Eurovision. Their music wouldn't have any appeal internationally or even Europe-wide. It's no surprise that the most recognizable Greek artists abroad are those who sing modern pop songs with some ethnic elements (e.g. Paparizou, Antique, Vissi, Sfakianakis, Vandi, Rouvas, Kalomira, Hatzigiannis, Tamta, etc.) or those who sing original Greek laiko songs (e.g. Haris Alexiou, Giorgos Dalaras, Eleftheria Arvanitaki, etc.). No mention about Nana Mouskouri, Demis Roussos, etc.. because they are more "international artists" than "Greek artists with international appeal".

Anyway I don't remember much criticism for Elena's song back in 2005. I remember it being played EVERYWHERE (radio, nightclubs, cafes, etc...) in Greece and 9 out of 10 people being very supportive of our entry. I also remember how everyone pointed out how she is a great choice because she already has the experience from 2001, she has some international recognition (mainly in Scandinavia and the Balkan countries), she's got the full package and she has a chance to make it internationally. The only public criticism I can remember came from a movie critic Danikas the day after her victory. He said that very few cared about Elena's song, most loved her underwear instread. And once he said that everyone turned against him and criticized him for that statement. He truly deserved it for being so cynical!
On the other hand, the year after 2005, Anna Vissi and mainly Nikos Karvelas received a lot of criticsm for Everything which didn't stay up to their expectations. Some even criticized the fact she appeared on stage all alone.

Derek wrote:Anastasiadis, Sampanis and Zouganeli are quite good but they are very unsuitable for Eurovision. Their music wouldn't have any appeal internationally or even Europe-wide. It's no surprise that the most recognizable Greek artists abroad are those who sing modern pop songs with some ethnic elements (e.g. Paparizou, Antique, Vissi, Sfakianakis, Vandi, Rouvas, Kalomira, Hatzigiannis, Tamta, etc.) or those who sing original Greek laiko songs (e.g. Haris Alexiou, Giorgos Dalaras, Eleftheria Arvanitaki, etc.). No mention about Nana Mouskouri, Demis Roussos, etc.. because they are more "international artists" than "Greek artists with international appeal".

Anyway I don't remember much criticism for Elena's song back in 2005. I remember it being played EVERYWHERE (radio, nightclubs, cafes, etc...) in Greece and 9 out of 10 people being very supportive of our entry. I also remember how everyone pointed out how she is a great choice because she already has the experience from 2001, she has some international recognition (mainly in Scandinavia and the Balkan countries), she's got the full package and she has a chance to make it internationally. The only public criticism I can remember came from a movie critic Danikas the day after her victory. He said that very few cared about Elena's song, most loved her underwear instread. And once he said that everyone turned against him and criticized him for that statement. He truly deserved it for being so cynical!
On the other hand, the year after 2005, Anna Vissi and mainly Nikos Karvelas received a lot of criticsm for Everything which didn't stay up to their expectations. Some even criticized the fact she appeared on stage all alone.

That's why I said Artists like Anastasiadis or Zouganeli. They are different than this what People always see from us. They can't see anymore Rouvas,Helena's, Kalomira's etc. and our Euro-Trash Pop Songs.They wanna see something new from us. Not always typical greek/english Pop Songs with some greek elements. We should close this chapter, we had good results with this but it's over now.

Like we said before, either we send next time a 100% greek Song, or a english Song but something what is modern. Look Serbia with Zeljko. It's not necessary to have a Song what is internationally. You need only a good Song.


About the other thing,I meant the Songs after 2005. The only problem with Elena 2005 was indeed her underwear.

But don't forget that Elena had also something what many of the other Artists after her don't had. 2004 we won the Euro, we had the Olympic Games, 2005 we won the Euro Basket, generally at this time Greece had a positve Vibe. ERT had the Money for a big Promo Tour. Maybe the biggest promo Tour what Greece ever had.

I don't think these are Euro-trash songs. Maybe light refreshing Eurovision songs not to be taken too seriously (they are no masterpieces indeed) but when I think of trash music there is Julia, Efi Thodi, Efi Sarri and so many others. My number one is far from being a eurotrash song! If that was the case people would have a laugh at it and not vote for it and then dance and sing along with it even until these days!

Yes they would be different to what they usually see from Greece but there aren't many Greek elements in their songs (it's mainly pop-rock) and they probably don't have an international appeal either. If you want Greece to send something different, why doesn't ERT assign various totally unknown folk music bands from different islands to send in their songs and compete in a Greek national final with folk music entries competing only?

Btw I don't think Elena won Eurovision because people were so favourable of Greece back in the day and because she had a big promo tour. Both of these might have helped to some extent but she was already a favourite to win before she started the promo tour.
Other entries from various countries throughout the years have had big promo tours as well and they have placed 2nd, 5th 10th, 20th or they have even failed to make it to final. The most important thing for an entry to win ESC is to have a good song+interesting stage presentation+stand out factor. Hardly any entries with one of these elements missing has won Eurovision. At least, I can't think of one other than Estonia 2001 (and maybe Russia 2008) which however had a different stage presence to the rest of the entries. Maybe that's why people voted for it although most people until these days think it was one of the most absurd victories in the contest!

Derek wrote:I don't think these are Euro-trash songs. Maybe light refreshing Eurovision songs not to be taken too seriously (they are no masterpieces indeed) but when I think of trash music there is Julia, Efi Thodi, Efi Sarri and so many others. My number one is far from being a eurotrash song! If that was the case people would have a laugh at it and not vote for it and then dance and sing along with it even until these days!

Yes they would be different to what they usually see from Greece but there aren't many Greek elements in their songs (it's mainly pop-rock) and they probably don't have an international appeal either. If you want Greece to send something different, why doesn't ERT assign various totally unknown folk music bands from different islands to send in their songs and compete in a Greek national final with folk music entries competing only?

Btw I don't think Elena won Eurovision because people were so favourable of Greece back in the day and because she had a big promo tour. Both of these might have helped to some extent but she was already a favourite to win before she started the promo tour.
Other entries from various countries throughout the years have had big promo tours as well and they have placed 2nd, 5th 10th, 20th or they have even failed to make it to final. The most important thing for an entry to win ESC is to have a good song+interesting stage presentation+stand out factor. Hardly any entries with one of these elements missing has won Eurovision. At least, I can't think of one other than Estonia 2001 (and maybe Russia 2008) which however had a different stage presence to the rest of the entries. Maybe that's why people voted for it although most people until these days think it was one of the most absurd victories in the contest!

1.) You can't compare our Eurovison Songs and general Eurovison Songs with the trash music what Julia, Efi etc make. Of course the music of them is pure trash. But Eurovison trash is something else. My Number One was not bad, it was better than many other greek Songs, but it's far away from to be a masterpiece or a Song with quality. And only because the People voted for the Song and sang the Song it means not that it is really a great Song. In the History of Eurovison you will find many trash Songs who were popular. I don't say that My Number One was trash.


2.) Again......look Serbia with Zeljko. If you have a great Song it's not important if the Song is international or not. I say only that we don't need greek/englsih Pop Song for good results. If I say we should send a 100% greek Song it can also be a greek Pop Song. No one said that it must be something traditional.


3.) Did I say that Elena won Eurovison because of that? She won Eurovison because she had the best packet. But because People are stupid and believe everything what they read and hear, it was easier for Helena and Greece in 2004/2005 than now. And yes, she was a favourite before the Contest. I said only that she had all this positive things what Eleftheria and other greek Singer not had. 2004 my german friends celebrated with me that we won the Euro. Think you they would celebrate again with me if we win the Euro in some Weeks?

The reason for the bad placing this year wasn't because of the economic Greece have right now. Sure, a promo tour like the one Elena had, was probably helping much but she could have probably won anyhow, but with less points.

For example, 2010 Sweden didn't even came to final with the song. It wasn't because Sweden had a bad economic in 2010 or something, it was because the song was horrible, especially for eurovision. This year Greece came to final but didn't place good there, because the song wasn't enough good. (But of course better then Sweden 2010).

Svenskjäveln wrote:The reason for the bad placing this year wasn't because of the economic Greece have right now. Sure, a promo tour like the one Elena had, was probably helping much but she could have probably won anyhow, but with less points.

For example, 2010 Sweden didn't even came to final with the song. It wasn't because Sweden had a bad economic in 2010 or something, it was because the song was horrible, especially for eurovision. This year Greece came to final but didn't place good there, because the song wasn't enough good. (But of course better then Sweden 2010).

Will you really compare Sweden with Greece? I heard never a bad word about Sweden in the media. And now compare that with what we hear the last 2-3 years about Greece. Her in Germany People who had never a problem with Greece now have. Why? Because of the brainwash of the media. Believe me, if I wouldn't be greek I would also hate the greeks with all the Storys what I heard in the last 2-3 years.

And because you think everything was OK with the Voting please explain me why we got only 1 Point form Germany and 0 from UK. The Greeks in Germany and UK don't care if our Song is good or not, they vote always for Greece. And this many times.

Here is my answer about the voting: paparizou.forumotion.net/t4279p150-eurovision-final-final-battle-the-26th-of-may#157673

And sure maybe everyone hears about the idiotic pension system, the politicians and the economic. But I can't ser how that changed the result. Just understand it, people didn't like the song. If Sweden would have "aphrodisiac" this year, we would not have won...

Svenskjäveln wrote:Here is my answer about the voting: paparizou.forumotion.net/t4279p150-eurovision-final-final-battle-the-26th-of-may#157673

And sure maybe everyone hears about the idiotic pension system, the politicians and the economic. But I can't ser how that changed the result. Just understand it, people didn't like the song. If Sweden would have "aphrodisiac" this year, we would not have won...

You said I do not really know how the voting system is..

This is enough. If you say self you don't know how the Voting System is why you post always your comment?


And please show me where I said that we had a great Song and that we should win. I said never that we have a great Song. I said from the first moment after the greek final that our Song is bad. But I still wait that you explain me this.

Horgu13 wrote:And because you think everything was OK with the Voting please explain me why we got only 1 Point form Germany and 0 from UK. The Greeks in Germany and UK don't care if our Song is good or not, they vote always for Greece. And this many times.

Maybe you don't know it, but the last years we got always 8,10 or 12 Points from Germany.

And please don't tell me again the people didn't like our song. I told you the greeks in Germany and UK vote always for our Songs.

I posted how I guess they vote in the jury. Whatever hoe the voting system is, it will anyhow be the same result and the same way they go to the result.

And there is several factors why Germany didn't give Greece many points, maybe...
1. The Greek-erman people didn't vote on it.
2. The German people didn't vote on it.

Let's say that the Greek-german did vote on the song, because you can't stand anything else. Then... I think that the German population is bigger then the Greek-german, that makes that the German votes will be majority to Greek-germwn votes.

So if the German people didn't like Greeces song, maybe the only votes Greece get, is from Greek-german. Then maybe the majority votes more on other songs, so they get more votes then Greece and "woh": Greece gets lower then usual.

Svenskjäveln wrote:I posted how I guess they vote in the jury. Whatever hoe the voting system is, it will anyhow be the same result and the same way they go to the result.

And there is several factors why Germany didn't give Greece many points, maybe...
1. The Greek-erman people didn't vote on it.
2. The German people didn't vote on it.

Let's say that the Greek-german did vote on the song, because you can't stand anything else. Then... I think that the German population is bigger then the Greek-german, that makes that the German votes will be majority to Greek-germwn votes.

So if the German people didn't like Greeces song, maybe the only votes Greece get, is from Greek-german. Then maybe the majority votes more on other songs, so they get more votes then Greece and "woh": Greece gets lower then usual.

It's the last thing what I say to Eurovison and Greece. It makes no sense to say always the same and the same.

I think you don't understand what I mean. First of all that Greece gets always many Points from Germany has nothing to do with the german people. I heard never in the last years that a german said I like the greek Song. The only thing what I hear is that our Songs are trash and such things. That's ok and no problem, tastes are different. Greeks also don't like german music. But if I tell you facts, that Greece got always many points from Germany and that because of the greek people then you can believe that. And you can believe me that the greek People voted many times for our Song.


Why you think that the Voting can't be fixed? We life in a World where everything is corrupt. Sport Games, Politics etc.

Then the German people voted more then usual.

If Germany votes like this:

10 votes to Greece.
9 votes to Sweden.

Let say that is the countries with the two most votes. Then Greece will get twelve points. But if the votes is like...

13 votes to Sweden.
12 votes to Spain.
11 votes to Norway
10 votes to Greece.

Then Greece will get seven points.

What I am trying to say is that, it is not only how many votes that Greece gets, that matters. It is also how many votes the other countries gets. So even if Greece gets 10 votes each year from Germany, it doesn't mean that they will get twelve points. But so long the other countries (in my example, Sweden, Spain, Norway) gets more votes from Germany then Greece. Then they all will get more points then Greece.

So maybe this year people liked a few songs much more then usual. So they voted more then usual on these countries but Greece got the same points, or maybe even not as much as usual. But I think also another thing that matters, is that Germany didn't like Greeces song this year and didn't vote as much as usual on it.

OK now we said everything.

How goes your day?

Horgu13 wrote:Will you really compare Sweden with Greece? I heard never a bad word about Sweden in the media. And now compare that with what we hear the last 2-3 years about Greece. Her in Germany People who had never a problem with Greece now have. Why? Because of the brainwash of the media. Believe me, if I wouldn't be greek I would also hate the greeks with all the Storys what I heard in the last 2-3 years.

And because you think everything was OK with the Voting please explain me why we got only 1 Point form Germany and 0 from UK. The Greeks in Germany and UK don't care if our Song is good or not, they vote always for Greece. And this many times.

You can't think that people didn't vote for Greece because of the economic crisis. I can compare because we are almost in the same situation and i don't believe people didn't vote for Portugal just because we have an horible government. What happen was that people didn't like the song, it has nothing to do with economics/politics. Last year there was already economic crisis and Greece got 3rd in the televote, just like in 2010 Greece got a great place. We gave Greece 10 or 8 in the finall in 2010 and 12 in the semi final last year not even 1 point in the final i still don't understand why) and this year we didn't gave Greece any points. I voted in 2010 and last year, this year i didn't. The thing about Greece is that the songs always have that wonderful greek instrumental and maybe people are expecting something different. Plus, with so many great voices, the jury couldn't vote for greece because if you compare Eleftheria's voice with Loreen, Rona, Pastora, Filipa, Sabina, Nina, Kaliopi or Eva you'll see that Eleftheria is not a great singer.

Horgu13 wrote:

1.) You can't compare our Eurovison Songs and general Eurovison Songs with the trash music what Julia, Efi etc make. Of course the music of them is pure trash. But Eurovison trash is something else. My Number One was not bad, it was better than many other greek Songs, but it's far away from to be a masterpiece or a Song with quality. And only because the People voted for the Song and sang the Song it means not that it is really a great Song. In the History of Eurovison you will find many trash Songs who were popular. I don't say that My Number One was trash.


2.) Again......look Serbia with Zeljko. If you have a great Song it's not important if the Song is international or not. I say only that we don't need greek/englsih Pop Song for good results. If I say we should send a 100% greek Song it can also be a greek Pop Song. No one said that it must be something traditional.


3.) Did I say that Elena won Eurovison because of that? She won Eurovison because she had the best packet. But because People are stupid and believe everything what they read and hear, it was easier for Helena and Greece in 2004/2005 than now. And yes, she was a favourite before the Contest. I said only that she had all this positive things what Eleftheria and other greek Singer not had. 2004 my german friends celebrated with me that we won the Euro. Think you they would celebrate again with me if we win the Euro in some Weeks?

1) I already told you I don't think MNO is a masterpiece but why don't you consider it a quality song? In this sense only slow ballads with sad lyrics are "quality songs" and upbeat songs that are meant to make you feel good lack quality. I don't agree with this disctinction at all. There are good upbeat songs and upbeat songs that lack quality and there are good low tempo songs (ballads) and bad ballads. In my opinion MNO had every quality to stand out and become a summer club anthem and it managed to become that in many countries all over Europe.

2) But that's exactly what I've been telling you. Zeljko incorporated traditional elements in his songs. Where are the traditional elements in Sampanis's, Zouganeli's or Anastasiadis's songs? I hardly find any there. It's just pop-rock and we all know pop-rock originated from USA and Europe, not Greece even if their songs have Greek lyrics. If I'm right your question is the language of the lyrics (English vs Greek) and not the style of music (pop vs pop rock vs Greek folk), correct?

3) Maybe they wouldn't celebrate with you if we won the Euro cup again but I don't think they wouldn't vote for Aphrodisiac if they truly liked it. Btw I don't think European press was less critical of Greece last year, yet Loukas feat. Stereo Mike managed a 7th place (3rd in televotes). Have you considered that?

Btw I've followed your discussion with other members and I actually agree with SvenskJ and Jessica. I assure you I don't live in my little fantasy world and I know that Greece doesn't have the best reputation these days but I really don't think this plays such an important role in a song content at the end of the day. If they like the song they will generally vote for it. Maybe a small number of nationalists in every country would perhaps turn their vote into a question of politics and ignore the Greek entry. The rest (majority) probably didn't like it enough to vote for it.

Jessica wrote:You can't think that people didn't vote for Greece because of the economic crisis. I can compare because we are almost in the same situation and i don't believe people didn't vote for Portugal just because we have an horible government. What happen was that people didn't like the song, it has nothing to do with economics/politics. Last year there was already economic crisis and Greece got 3rd in the televote, just like in 2010 Greece got a great place. We gave Greece 10 or 8 in the finall in 2010 and 12 in the semi final last year not even 1 point in the final i still don't understand why) and this year we didn't gave Greece any points. I voted in 2010 and last year, this year i didn't. The thing about Greece is that the songs always have that wonderful greek instrumental and maybe people are expecting something different. Plus, with so many great voices, the jury couldn't vote for greece because if you compare Eleftheria's voice with Loreen, Rona, Pastora, Filipa, Sabina, Nina, Kaliopi or Eva you'll see that Eleftheria is not a great singer.

First of all I spoke only for the Voting from Germany and UK for Greece, and not for the whole Voting for Greece. I told this many times now. And yes, Portugal is in the same Situation. But because I live in Germany, and Germany is together with UK the Country who say the most negative things about Greece, I can tell you that I didn't heard here in Germany bad things about Portugal. Believe me, you can't imagine what I hear and read everyday about Greece in the last 2-3 years. And not only about the economic crisis. Because of our Culture, Food, Music, People about everything. The same in UK, how it can be that a Moderator from BBC say don't vote for the greek Song? Or a other Reporter says don't make Holidays in Greece? The Greeks in Germany are very proud to be greek, also in these times. They vote every year many times for Greece, and they did it also this year, I know it because I read it in different Forums. We got always many Points from Germany, it's nothing what I say, it's fact. Believe you really that the greeks in Germany would now stop to vote for Greece? Is it not strange that the Countries who give us always many Points (because of the greek people) this year they gave us only 1 and 0, the Countries who say the most negative things about Greece? Is it not also strange that Greece lose every year more and more Tourists? Are our Islands not more beautiful?

Derek wrote:1) I already told you I don't think MNO is a masterpiece but why don't you consider it a quality song? In this sense only slow ballads with sad lyrics are "quality songs" and upbeat songs that are meant to make you feel good lack quality. I don't agree with this disctinction at all. There are good upbeat songs and upbeat songs that lack quality and there are good low tempo songs (ballads) and bad ballads. In my opinion MNO had every quality to stand out and become a summer club anthem and it managed to become that in many countries all over Europe.

2) But that's exactly what I've been telling you. Zeljko incorporated traditional elements in his songs. Where are the traditional elements in Sampanis's, Zouganeli's or Anastasiadis's songs? I hardly find any there. It's just pop-rock and we all know pop-rock originated from USA and Europe, not Greece even if their songs have Greek lyrics. If I'm right your question is the language of the lyrics (English vs Greek) and not the style of music (pop vs pop rock vs Greek folk), correct?

3) Maybe they wouldn't celebrate with you if we won the Euro cup again but I don't think they wouldn't vote for Aphrodisiac if they truly liked it. Btw I don't think European press was less critical of Greece last year, yet Loukas feat. Stereo Mike managed a 7th place (3rd in televotes). Have you considered that?

Btw I've followed your discussion with other members and I actually agree with SvenskJ and Jessica. I assure you I don't live in my little fantasy world and I know that Greece doesn't have the best reputation these days but I really don't think this plays such an important role in a song content at the end of the day. If they like the song they will generally vote for it. Maybe a small number of nationalists in every country would perhaps turn their vote into a question of politics and ignore the Greek entry. The rest (majority) probably didn't like it enough to vote for it.

1)We have different opinions of quality songs. And if you think that MNO was a Hit in many Countries compare it with Fairytale,Satellite or Euphoria. MNO was a good Song and had some successes but you make it bigger than it is or was. Yes it is our Winner Song but Greece had better Songs. Die For You was much better than MNO. If a Jury would vote for the best Eurovison Song ever; I'm sure it would be not even in the Top 10, maybe even not in the Top 20. I mean only the Song, without performance.

2) You can't know how a Song of Zouganeli or Anastasiadis would sound for Eurovison. Or sounds all the Elena Songs like MNO? I told you that we can send a Pop Song but with greek lyrics, Songs like we hear everyday in greek Radios. Are our Pop Songs not modern? Whatever they sounds sometimes or many times cheap. Pop Music is not only greek/english lyrics with some greek elements. You have different options for Eurovison, you can send that what we send always, you can send a greek Pop Song, you can send a traditional greek Song or you send a modern english Song. With Eurovision you can never know the result.

3) The same what I told Jessica.

About last Year, I know that we had a good result, and that the media were already negative because of Greece. But this was 12-13 Months ago. Do you know how many things can change in 12-13 Months? If you read and hear everyday something negative about someone, you start to believe it, if you have no own opinion. And many People are so, that's why I said People are stupid. Don't forget I speak always for the Voting from Germany and UK, not for the whole Voting. I have no problem that the other Countries gave us noithing and that we had a bad result. We can't be always in the Top 10.

You said : I assure you I don't live in my little fantasy world and I know that Greece doesn't have the best reputation these days but I really don't think this plays such an important role in a song content at the end of the day.

But in the End of the Day it's not only a Song Contest.

Or why the german Women who gaves the points from germany said to the hosts of the Show political things?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZPSAtB6YIY

Why a Reporter of Star Channel said to the Singer of FYROM your Name is FYROM and not Macedonia? (Not important if it's true or not).

In the End of the Day it's also Politics. And this is the reason why Greece got only 1 Point from Germany and 0 Points from UK.

Fresh News from the new german Single Charts.

If no one liked our Song, how it can be # 77 in the german Single Charts? And where are all the Songs who got more Points from Germany than our Song?

http://www.mix1.de/charts/singlecharts.htm

Elena was with MNO between 30 and 40. Not so much better. And she got 12 Points from Germany.

Still not strange that we got only one Point?


But OK.......everyone believes what he wants.


@Derek if you want you can answer to my post but I stop it here because I have nothing to say anymore. I respect your and the other opinions but we have different opinions so it makes no sense to write again and again the same things.

Horgu13 wrote:First of all I spoke only for the Voting from Germany and UK for Greece, and not for the whole Voting for Greece. I told this many times now. And yes, Portugal is in the same Situation. But because I live in Germany, and Germany is together with UK the Country who say the most negative things about Greece, I can tell you that I didn't heard here in Germany bad things about Portugal. Believe me, you can't imagine what I hear and read everyday about Greece in the last 2-3 years. And not only about the economic crisis. Because of our Culture, Food, Music, People about everything. The same in UK, how it can be that a Moderator from BBC say don't vote for the greek Song? Or a other Reporter says don't make Holidays in Greece? The Greeks in Germany are very proud to be greek, also in these times. They vote every year many times for Greece, and they did it also this year, I know it because I read it in different Forums. We got always many Points from Germany, it's nothing what I say, it's fact. Believe you really that the greeks in Germany would now stop to vote for Greece? Is it not strange that the Countries who give us always many Points (because of the greek people) this year they gave us only 1 and 0, the Countries who say the most negative things about Greece? Is it not also strange that Greece lose every year more and more Tourists? Are our Islands not more beautiful?

The fact is that the news only show the a things. That's what sells. Here, news always show the violence in Greece and bla bla bla. The always make such a thing of it that i can't believe it is that bad. The country is not less beatiful, and if someone said that things they are just crazy and very stupid because that's somethig no one should say in tv ... I believe every single greek is pround of being greek (just like every portuguese) but that's what makes the voting what it is. Greece can't be waiting for a huge pontuation from countries where there are lots of Greeks, that only proves that they are not voting for the best song. But.. You have all the reasons in the world to suspect of cheating in the votes... I do, expecially for Azebaijan.
But don't mind about it... Greece is better than lots of coutries ... Greece is beautiful, has a brilliant history, won ESC, won Euro, has great music, food, everything

MNO is a great song HOrgu and it deserved the No1 place just like Elena did!

Horgu13 wrote:
1)We have different opinions of quality songs. And if you think that MNO was a Hit in many Countries compare it with Fairytale,Satellite or Euphoria. MNO was a good Song and had some successes but you make it bigger than it is or was. Yes it is our Winner Song but Greece had better Songs. Die For You was much better than MNO. If a Jury would vote for the best Eurovison Song ever; I'm sure it would be not even in the Top 10, maybe even not in the Top 20. I mean only the Song, without performance.

2) You can't know how a Song of Zouganeli or Anastasiadis would sound for Eurovison. Or sounds all the Elena Songs like MNO? I told you that we can send a Pop Song but with greek lyrics, Songs like we hear everyday in greek Radios. Are our Pop Songs not modern? Whatever they sounds sometimes or many times cheap. Pop Music is not only greek/english lyrics with some greek elements. You have different options for Eurovison, you can send that what we send always, you can send a greek Pop Song, you can send a traditional greek Song or you send a modern english Song. With Eurovision you can never know the result.

3) The same what I told Jessica.

About last Year, I know that we had a good result, and that the media were already negative because of Greece. But this was 12-13 Months ago. Do you know how many things can change in 12-13 Months? If you read and hear everyday something negative about someone, you start to believe it, if you have no own opinion. And many People are so, that's why I said People are stupid. Don't forget I speak always for the Voting from Germany and UK, not for the whole Voting. I have no problem that the other Countries gave us noithing and that we had a bad result. We can't be always in the Top 10.

You said : I assure you I don't live in my little fantasy world and I know that Greece doesn't have the best reputation these days but I really don't think this plays such an important role in a song content at the end of the day.

But in the End of the Day it's not only a Song Contest.

Or why the german Women who gaves the points from germany said to the hosts of the Show political things?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZPSAtB6YIY

Why a Reporter of Star Channel said to the Singer of FYROM your Name is FYROM and not Macedonia? (Not important if it's true or not).

In the End of the Day it's also Politics. And this is the reason why Greece got only 1 Point from Germany and 0 Points from UK.

Fresh News from the new german Single Charts.

If no one liked our Song, how it can be # 77 in the german Single Charts? And where are all the Songs who got more Points from Germany than our Song?

http://www.mix1.de/charts/singlecharts.htm

Elena was with MNO between 30 and 40. Not so much better. And she got 12 Points from Germany.

Still not strange that we got only one Point?


But OK.......everyone believes what he wants.


@Derek if you want you can answer to my post but I stop it here because I have nothing to say anymore. I respect your and the other opinions but we have different opinions so it makes no sense to write again and again the same things.

1. I know "(I would) Die For You" is a better song. It deserved the ESC victory much more than MNO. I'm not even sure if MNO was the best song in ESC 2005 whereas DFY was the best song in ESC 2001 by far. On the other hand what I know for sure is that Elena had the most professional, most creative and most stand out performance in addition to a very good song and voice which was the perfect recipe for the first place. I don't know if Satellite or Fairytale were bigger hits than MNO. Don't forget that back in 2005 the singles charts were still based on CD singles sales and not digital sales which means that in a lot of countries MNO couldn't chart as it wasn't available in CD stores after ESC victory or it became available once its popularity had already started to decrease. Also take into account that many people rushed to download these aforementioned songs right after they won the contest which gave them a fast boost in sales and an immediate entrance in the singles charts. Nowadays (especially after 07) it's so much easier to get hold of a song you like simply by clicking the download button on your PC. "Euphoria" is probably a bigger hit than "My Number One" but let's look at the longevity of a song, too. "Euphoria" is only a few months old and we don't know how people will remember it in a few years. "My Number One" has now acquired a classic schlager status in many European countries (incl. Sweden and Greece) and even today most people (who listen to this kind of music) think of it as a great pop-ethnic song and not an outdated old song like other Eurovision winning or non winning songs which became radio hits at the time. I don't think I make it sound bigger than it is. I didn't say it was a worldwide hit or the top-10 selling song in 2005 but you can't deny it was a radio/club hit Europe-wide and it even charted quite well in singles charts. Its success also spread in the USA (nightclubs) and some countries in the Middle East too.

Btw I don't know how well Elena charted in German singles charts with MNO but she charted between no.30-40 (as you reported) with CD singles sales and not digital downloads Eleftheria reached no.77 probably because after ESC ended people rushed to buy some Eurovision songs that they liked most from itunes. 7 years ago they would probably buy a compilation album with all ESC entries a few days after ESC final from their local CD store. Times have changed.

Btw after you have seen the televote/jury split votes (Eleftheria came 9th in televotes) do you still think Europeans had something against the Greek entry because of the media brainwash? I think 9th result is maybe a little too favourable of the Greek entry when other songs that were better (in my opinion) were near the bottom.

I don't deny that our reputation may be getting worse as time goes by but I hardly think it can influence our results in Eurovision.

worth at least we had the 6 position

γεωργιτσα wrote:worth at least we had the 6 position

Wasn't 17?
Or do you mean only jury voting / only televoting?

GREECE 4EVER

Derek wrote:
She's pretty and performed well tonight but she's very short and she doesn't conquer the stage.

After seeing her, i'll have to agree with you. She is really short